Whether mashing or spinning, riding in the saddle or out, KICKR’s AXIS feet let cyclists of all types customize the ride feel, enhance feedback and offer a more realistic training experience to match their unique riding style. - Active feedback - A tuned ride - Reduce fatigue, go longer - KICKR AXIS feet create a realistic ride feel providing up to 5 degrees of side-to-side movement.
SERIOUS AND PRECISE POWER- Enhanced by automatic calibration, the KICKR stands up the demands of the world's most powerful cyclists by delivering 2,200 watts of resistance that's accurate to within +/- 1%. REALISTIC RIDE FEEL- KICKR’s professional-grade high-inertia 16lb flywheel and AXIS feet combine to provide an ultra realistic ride feel. SMART RESIST- Set your resistance or power threshold through your favorite app for the most efficient workout possible. THE MOST POWERFUL AND REALISTIC INDOOR TRAINER EXPERIENCE. Power and accuracy designed to offer the world’s most demanding cyclists the ultimate indoor riding experience. KICKR AXIS Feet PROFESSIONAL-GRADE CONSTRUCTION - KICKR’s robust steel construction and a wide stance provide the durability and stability needed to endure years of high-intensity training.
The Wahoo RPM cadence sensor is your sleek little solution for measuring cycling cadence data. It is wireless, magnet-less, lightweight, and easily mounts to your bike's crank arm or to your shoe. Bluetooth Smart and ANT+ dual band technology allows you to connect to and display data on both smartphones and GPS bike computers. Collecting cadence data has never been this easy. - Both ANT+ and Bluetooth Smart capabilities allow for a wireless connection to both smartphones and bike computers. - No tangled wires on your bike to connect the sensor to your device. - It only weighs 7 grams! - Provides accurate cadence data during your ride - (1) mount with double sided 3M tape, or (2) use the silicone sleeve and mount with zip ties. - The RPM can be worn on your shoe for spin classes or use with multiple bikes - Two LED lights show the sensor's device connection (blue) and cadence detection (red) - No charging required! Operates on a coin cell battery for up to 1 years. - RPM cadence sensor will fit with most bikes and frame sizes
This handlebar bracket has been developed so you can attach a tablet to your handlebars. The design provides a safe distance so that no sweat falls on the screen while you are training. - Suitable for handlebars with a diameter ranging from 26mm to 35mm - Adjustable to different tablet sizes: length 182-267mm, width 112-197mm, max. thickness 13mm
$53.99 - $54.99
Our Trainer Axle is designed to adapt your thru-axle equipped bike to on-wheel trainers, such as a 1up, Blackburn, Cyclops, Kinetic, Tacx, Wahoo, and many others. Our goal is to fit the thru-axle to your bike perfectly to minimize spacers and extra parts, providing a clean, high-performance axle for your bike. Train, warm up, and be race ready and fit for the season. - When it’s time for your race or time to head outside, simply remove your bike from the trainer, remove the drive side axle end and go. Our axle is suitable for use on or off the trainer, indoors or out. - The axle shaft and axle ends are precision CNC-machined from 7075 aluminum and hard-anodized for rugged durability. - No special tools required. Design allows for installation or wheel removal using your standard 5mm hex wrench. - Designed, built, and quality tested in the USA. Proven around the world. Important: Before you order, make sure your specific trainer will accommodate the width of your modern thru-axle-equipped bike. Measure your trainer at the widest setting and measure the outside width of your bike frame. Our the trainer axle ends will extend past your frame on each side.
With this Tacx wireless ANT+ receiver for Android devices with a micro USB port, you can connect to devices that communicate via ANT+. For example a heart rate meter, speed and cadence sensor, sports watch, GPS device or bike computer. This enables you to keep track of your performance continually. It also allows you to link an ANT+ trainer to the Tacx Cycling app (tablet) or Tacx Training app (smartphone), or connect an older model Tacx trainer which only has ANT+ to your telephone, so you can train with the Tacx Training app and Tacx Cloud. The device you want to connect must have a micro USB port and Android 4.3 or higher. This ANT+ dongle is only compatible with devices that have USB On-The-Go.
With the Antares roller you can cycle freely to refine your coordination and technique. This roller can be retracted to 80 cm. Conical Rollers The Tacx rollers are conical which ensure that your bike always remains in the middle of the roller while you are riding. This makes riding on the rollers easier and safer. Retractable The Tacx rollers are retractable to 80cm. FEATURES Type of trainer: Roller Roller diameter: 100-110mm (3.93-4.33in) Suitable bikes: All bikes with a wheel diameter of 26 to 29 in SPECIFICATIONS Max. footprint (lxw): 1350 x 470 mm (53 x 18.5 in) Height: 135 mm (5.31 in) Dimensions when folded: 800 × 470 × 135 mm (31.5 × 18.5 × 5.31 in) Weight: 7.7 kg (17.0 lbs) Trainer Type: Basic , Roller Article number: T1000
Use these axle nuts to put a city or track bike in a Tacx trainer. The available axle nuts are M10x1 (T1415) and 3/8 Shimano Nexus (T1416). For use with Tacx classic trainers only
The BlackTrack replaces the Skyliner (front wheel support) and enables you to steer freely in the Tacx Trainer software 4, Advanced. The front wheel of the bike is placed on a turntable so that you can steer to the left and the right. This allows you to choose where to ride when you are training in the virtual worlds. The BlackTrack communicates wirelessly with the computer via ANT+. Rubber Caps on the bottom prevent sliding and reduce noise. This steering frame is foldable. lightweight, and easy to store. The BlackTrack is suitable for the Tacx Trainer software (Windows PC) and can communicate with ANT+ trainers and interactive Smart trainers: - T1980 Bushido (ANT+) - T2020 i-Genius - T2050 Tacx IRONMAN trainer - T2060 Tacx IRONMAN Smart - T2080 Genius Smart with Upgrade Smart - T2170 i-Vortex - T2180 Vortex Smart with Upgrade Smart - T2240 Flow Smart with Upgrade Smart - T2780 Bushido Smart with Upgrade Smart
This freehub body enables you to fit a Campagnolo cassette on the NEO Smart and the FLUX Smart. Suitable for 9 through 11 speed Campagnolo cassettes. How to place the Campagnolo Body: 1. Remove the cap with a 5-millimeter Allen key. 2. Replace the Shimano/SRAM body with the Campagnolo body. 3. Place the cap on the Campagnolo body and tighten with a 5-millimeter Allen key.
$44.99 - $59.99
The E-Thru Trainer Axle allows the use of a mountain bike in a Tacx trainer. These axles are only suitable for Tacx classic trainers.
Bigger and Stronger for a Better Ride Featuring an improved ride feel and more accurate power measurements, this smart bike trainer has everything you need for an enjoyable and efficient indoor training session. - Ride hard. This trainer can handle sprints up to 2,000 watts. - Work up a sweat with inclines up to 16% that hold up to your most serious sprints. - Accuracy matters. Measure your power to within 2.5%. - Keep crushing it with your favorite apps, including Zwift and Tacx. - Finally, a trainer that won’t wake the whole house when you ride hard. ACCURATE AND RELIABLE This trainer is redesigned to let you track your performance and progress with reliable, consistent measurements. That includes power, speed and cadence, measured accurately within 2.5%. READY TO SPRINT The well-balanced design and large footprint of the FLUX 2 Smart trainer ensures maximum stability, even during the most explosive sprints, up to 2,000 watts. CLIMB HIGHER Get the most out of your intense workouts by training on realistically simulated inclines up to a 16% gradient. A MORE REALISTIC RIDE At 16.8 lbs (7.6 kg), a heavy flywheel ensures a realistic ride feel and good responsiveness. SMOOTH AND SILENT This direct-drive trainer is designed to bring vibration and noise levels to the absolute minimum, resulting in one of the most silent flywheel-equipped bike trainers available. IMPROVED COMPATIBILITY The trainer comes with additional axle adapters to significantly improve the axle compatibility. It is compatible with 142x12 mm and 148x12 mm axles — right out of the box. HIGHLY COMPATIBLE The FLUX 2 Smart trainer communicates via BLUETOOTH Smart technology and ANT+ FE-C protocol, so it works with a number of popular training apps such as TrainerRoad and Zwift. ABLE TO STAND ALONE You can opt to use the trainer in stand-alone mode. When not connected, it will simulate a flat road; the faster you ride, the higher the resistance. DEVICE COMPATIBILITY Connect FLUX 2 Smart to multiple devices simultaneously, so you can enjoy Tacx software and track your performance on your Garmin bike computer at the same time. TACX TRAINING SOFTWARE Enjoy a library filled with more than 100 high-quality, real-life videos that let you experience the rush of riding the steep hills of the Alps or the cobblestone roads of Milan. TACX TRAINING PLANS Take advantage of structured training plans, designed for your fitness level to help you meet your goals. Race live opponents, upload GPS data, ride with 3-D maps and more.
For year-round training and a fully interactive indoor cycling experience, the Flow Smart trainer offers everything you need. Its wheel-on design allows for easy setup and storage. It even connects to your favorite apps, such as Zwift, Tacx, and TrainerRoad. - Wheel-on design sets up with two easy clicks and securely locks in place - Measures speed, power, and cadence - Virtually silent flywheel lets you ride without disturbing others - Works with popular third-party training apps such as Zwift and Tacx - Train with realistically simulated inclines up to a 7% gradient FEATURES Type of trainer: Interactive Smart trainer with electric brake Magnets: 6 Magnets Transmission: Roller, 30mm Electrical requirements: 110-240 Volt Power indicator: None Connection indicator (ANT/BT): None Firmware upgradable: Yes Suitable bikes: Race, Tri, & MTB; if necessary with axle skewer; 29" wheel with Tacx trainer tire Suitable axles: Width of rear fork: Race 130mm, MTB 135mm. Adapters for other widths also available Supplied with: Front wheel support, Quick release for road bikes and mountain bikes (5mm) SPECIFICATIONS Max. power (40 km/h): 800 Watt Max. incline: 6% Simulation of descent: No Max. torque: 15.3 Nm Max. brake force: 45 N Flywheel: 1.6 kg Mass inertia: 11.8kg (26.0 lbs) Calibration: Spin down Footprint (lxw): 675 × 650 mm (26.6 × 25.6 in) Height: 410 mm (16.1 in) Dimensions when folded: 565 × 410 × 245 mm (22.2 × 16.1 × 9.65 in) Weight: 9.41 kg (20.7 lbs) Article number: T2240 DATA OUTPUT AND CONTROL Wireless communication: ANT+ FE-C, Bluetooth Smart open Control by: ANT+FE-C bike computers, Connect to computer via ANT+antenna, Smartphone, Tablet, Stand alone Output: Cadence , Power , Speed Read out on: Bike computer, Computer with ANT+ antenna, Smartphone, Sports watch, Tablet Error Tolerance: <5%
Looking for a smart, direct-drive trainer? The FLUX S Smart checks all the boxes: it’s reliable, accurate, silent, strong, and features a heavy flywheel for a very realistic ride feel. Made to help you sweat while cycling with your favorite apps, this bike trainer is the ideal indoor training companion. - Measure your power within 3% error tolerance - Next-to-silent direct drive trainer lets you ride without disturbing others - Works with popular third-party training apps such as Zwift and Tacx - Train with realistically simulated inclines up to a 10% gradient and a max sprint resistance of 1,500 watts - Sturdy design easily allows for riding full-out and standing on the pedals FEATURES Type of trainer: Interactive Smart direct drive with electric brake Magnets: 8 Permanent ferrite magnets & 8 electromagnets Transmission: None Electrical requirements: 110-240 Volt Power indicator: None Connection indicator (ANT/BT): 2 LEDs Firmware upgradable: Yes Suitable cassettes: Shimano & SRAM: 8 - 11 speed, Campagnolo. Not suitable for Specialized SCS system, SRAM XD and XD-R body sold separately Suitable axles: Road 130mm, MTB 135mm, 142mm & 148mm thru-axles. Adapter for 135 x 10mm available. Suitable bikes: Race, Tri, & MTB Supplied with: Quick release for road bikes and mountain bikes (5mm), Direct-drive quick release with adapter set for 142x12mm & 148x12mm thru-axles, 1 month Tacx Premium software SPECIFICATIONS Max. power (40 km/h): 1500 Watt Max. incline: 10% Simulation of descent: No Max. torque: 22.1 Nm Max. brake force: 65 N Flywheel: 7kg Mass inertia: 22.8kg (50.3 lbs) Calibration: Spin down Footprint (lxw): 670 x 642 mm (26.4 x 25.3 in) Height: 460mm (18.1 in) Weight: 22.8kg (50.3lbs) Article number: T2900S DATA OUTPUT AND CONTROL Wireless communication: ANT+ FE-C, Bluetooth Smart open Control by: ANT+FE-C bike computers, Connect to computer via ANT+antenna, Smartphone, Tablet, Stand alone Output: Cadence, Power, Speed Read out on: Bike computer, Computer with ANT+ antenna, Smartphone, Sports watch, Tablet Error Tolerance: <3%
This Revolutionary Smart bike trainer is designed to create an unprecedented, one of a kind, and immersive experience. It is equipped with vivacious features like Virtual shifting, Gear Feel, and descent simulation. It is, without question, the most innovative smart bike offering the most realistic cycling experience possible, and it is compatible with most popular applications like Tacx, TrainerRoad, and Zwift. Realistic, As it Should Be Simulating your outdoor ride indoors is what this Smart bike trainer is designed for. With Dynamic Inertia, Road feel, and Gear feel, the Tacx NEO Bike brings you the most realistic and smooth cycling feeling possible. Extremely Quiet The combination of NEO Smart technology and the internal design of the NEO Bike resulted in the most silent indoor bike trainer available. Incredibly Powerful Unmatched power. The NEO Bike is able to resist sprints up to 2200 watts and simulate climbs up to a 25% incline, making sure this trainer is able to deliver during the most intense training sessions. Accurate and Reliable The Tacx NEO Bike measures your power with incredible precision, making sure that your data is accurate and reliable. This Smart trainer is the only trainer that doesn't require a calibration process. It measures your power with a a maximum deviation of 1%. Dynamic Inertia Dynamic inertia is developed to control the mass inertia (ride feel) as realistically as possible. In contrast to the mass inertia of a flywheel, Dynamic inertia compensates for weight, speed, and angle of inclination. This ensures the most realistic and smooth ride feel. Customization Pedals, saddle, (tri)handlebar, bar tape, and crank lengths 4.5" Display Shows your data and allows for easy setup and manual control Control Buttons Change the setup or manually control the trainer 2 USB Chargers Power up your smartphone or tablet Plug In/Plug Out Choose to train with or without main power Isokinetic & Isotonic Train on a fixed speed or power level Interactive Air Fans The two air fans on the handlebars of the NEO Bike are interactive, the air flow will adjust to speed, power, or heart rate. The air flow can also be set at a constant speed. Realistic Virtual Shifting Like your road bike, the NEO Bike is able to shift gears. By pressing the up or down buttons on the shifters, you are able to change the gearing of your virtual drivetrain instantaneously. A clear display in the front shows which gear you're in. These virtual gears are customizable with the Tacx Utility App. Pedal Stroke Analysis The NEO Bike Smart measures the position of your left and right legs. This allows you to precisely measure and analyze your pedaling technique in order to develop a more effective pedal stroke. Road Feel & Gear Feel Experience the feeling of riding over cobblestones or shifting gears. The Road Feel and Gear Feel features simulate the vibrations of different road patterns, but also your virtual chain jumping into a different gear. This immersive feature is unique to the NEO trainer series and can be used with Tacx Films and Zwift. Descent Simulation At the top of a hill or mountain, there is always that exciting feeling of accelerating into a descent. Exactly that feeling is what this bike trainer gives you. The NEO Bike accelerates when on a descent. FEATURES Type of trainer: Smart bike with direct-drive and motor brake Magnets: 32 Neodymium magnets Transmission: None Electrical requirements: 110-240 Volt , Main power optional Power indicator: Multicolor LED , Spot on floor Connection indicator (ANT/BT): 2 LEDs Firmware upgradable: Yes Gear ratios: Chainrings: up to 3 sprockets, 22 – 53 teeth per sprocket. Rear cassette: up to 12 sprockets, 11 – 40 teeth per sprocket Q-factor: 147mm Supplied with: Fans, Tablet mount, Saddle, Handlebars, 2 USB chargers (front), Sweat cover, Ciro bottle cage, Bottle, Tacx towel, 1 month Tacx Premium software. Pedals and tablet sold separately SPECIFICATIONS Max. power (40 km/h): 2200 Watt Max. incline: 25% Simulation of descent: Yes Max. torque: 85 Nm Max. brake force: 250 N Flywheel: Virtual Mass inertia: Variable to 125kg (275.6lbs) Calibration: No calibration required Footprint (lxw): 1390 × 750mm (54.7 × 29.5 in) Height: 1170mm (46.1 in) Weight: 50 kg (110 lbs) Article number: T8000 DATA OUTPUT AND CONTROL Wireless communication: ANT+ FE-C, Bluetooth Smart open Control by: ANT+FE-C bike computers, Connect to computer via ANT+ antenna, Smartphone, Tablet, Stand alone Output: Cadence, Power, Speed Read out on: Bike computer, Computer with ANT+ antenna, Smartphone, Sports watch, Tablet Error tolerance: <1%
Universal quick release skewer for placing your bike in the trainer or direct drive. This axle replaces the standard quick release, allowing racing bikes and mountain bikes to be used with Tacx trainers.
Give your Galaxia or Anteres the best possible protection for storage or transport by using this sturdy trainer bag. The double inner layer with foam lining provides optimum protection, minimizing the risk of damage. This bag is ideal for riders who take their rollers to the track with them to warm up.
Replacement roller belt for Tacs roller trainers.
The Skyliner is a front wheel support for use with Tacx classic trainers. It raises and supports the front wheel for a natural cycling position and increased stability. It also serves as a handle to carry the trainer.
The Tacx Sweat Cover protects your bike from corrosion caused by perspiration. It is made from absorbent textile to catch and retain perspiration. Its clever design fits all bikes and enables easy mounting.
A sweat cover with a pocket for your smartphone. The sweat cover protects your bike against perspiration and enables the use of a phone while training. The Tacx sweat cover is made from absorbent textile to catch and retain perspiration. Its clever design fits all bikes and enables easy mounting. Suitable for a variety of phone sizes - max. length 138mm, max. width 68mm.
Take your ride inside with Tacx Boost. You won't need external power to use this trainer, thanks to a forceful magnetic brake that allows you to directly apply resistance or lighten it. Resistance can be controlled with a lever on the handlebar. The setup is easy—with just two simple clicks you mount your bike and you are ready to ride. SIMPLE SETUP With just two simple clicks, you'll be ready to ride. SMALL BUT STABLE This indoor trainer has a small footprint, 675 x 650 mm (26.6" x 25.6"), but provides a sturdy ride. EASY TO STORE Multifunctional front wheel support serves as a handle to carry the trainer and ensures a natural cycling position. MAGNETIC BRAKE You won't need external power to use this trainer, thanks to a forceful magnetic brake that allows you to directly apply resistance or lighten it. RESISTANCE CONTROL A simple lever on your handlebar lets you control the resistance; 10 levels, up to 1,050 watts. REALISTIC RIDE FEEL An actual flywheel generates a realistic and smooth pedal stroke. SMOOTH AND QUIET The closed resistance unit reduces noise and makes for a smoother ride. HOW FAR AND HOW FAST Add a speed sensor (sold separately) to track how far and how fast you're riding and train with some of your favorite apps. FEATURES - Magnets: 2x8 Permanent ferrite magnets - Transmission: Roller, 30 mm - Electrical requirements: No voltage required - Power indicator: None - Connection indicator (ANT/BT): None - Firmware upgradable: No - Suitable bikes: Road, Tri, & MTB with skewer quick release - Supplied with: Front wheel support, quick release for road bikes and mountain bikes (5mm) SPECIFICATIONS - Max. power (40 km/h): 1050 Watt - Simulation of descent: No - Max. torque: 17 Nm - Max. brake force: 50 N - Flywheel: Actual of 1.6 kg - Mass inertia: 9.18 kg (20.2 lbs) - Footprint (LxW): 675 x 650 mm (26.6 x 25.6 in) - Height 410 mm (16.1 in) - Dimensions when folded 565 x 410 x 245 mm (22.2 x 16.1 x 9.65 in) - Weight 8.53 kg (18.8 lbs)
Take your ride inside with Tacx Boost. You won't need external power to use this trainer, thanks to a forceful magnetic brake that allows you to directly apply resistance or lighten it. Resistance can be controlled with a lever on the handlebar. The setup is easy—with just two simple clicks you mount your bike and you are ready to ride. The Boost bundle includes a speed sensor so you can track how far and how fast you're riding indoors and train with your favorite app. SIMPLE SETUP With just two simple clicks, you'll be ready to ride. SMALL BUT STABLE This indoor trainer has a small footprint, 675 x 650 mm (26.6" x 25.6"), but provides a sturdy ride. EASY TO STORE Multifunctional front wheel support serves as a handle to carry the trainer and ensures a natural cycling position. MAGNETIC BRAKE You won't need external power to use this trainer, thanks to a forceful magnetic brake that allows you to directly apply resistance or lighten it. RESISTANCE CONTROL A simple lever on your handlebar lets you control the resistance; 10 levels, up to 1,050 watts. REALISTIC RIDE FEEL An actual flywheel generates a realistic and smooth pedal stroke. SMOOTH AND QUIET The closed resistance unit reduces noise and makes for a smoother ride. FEATURES - Type of trainer: Basic Smart trainer with magnetic brake - Virtual Power: Virtual Power - Magnets: 2x8 Permanent ferrite magnets - Transmission: Roller, 30 mm - Electrical requirements: No voltage required - Power indicator: None - Connection indicator (ANT/BT): None - Firmware upgradable: No - Suitable bikes: Road, Tri, & MTB with skewer quick release - Supplied with: Front wheel support, quick release for road bikes and mountain bikes (5mm) SPECIFICATIONS - Max. power (40 km/h): 1050 Watt - Simulation of descent: No - Max. torque: 17 Nm - Max. brake force: 50 N - Flywheel: Actual of 1.6 kg - Mass inertia: 9.18 kg (20.2 lbs) - Footprint (LxW): 675 x 650 mm (26.6 x 25.6 in) - Height: 410 mm (16.1 in) - Dimensions when folded: 565 x 410 x 245 mm (22.2 x 16.1 x 9.65 in) - Weight: 8.53 kg (18.8 lbs) DATA OUTPUT AND CONTROL - Wireless communication: ANT+ & Bluetooth - Control by: Handlebar resistance lever with 10 positions - Output: Speed - Read out on: Bike computer, Computer with ANT+ antenna, Smartphone, Sports watch, Tablet - Trainer Type: Basic, Manual, Wheel-on, Wheel-on - Features: Smooth ride feel, Silent, Powerful, Manual resistance control, Enables virtual power, Handlebar lever, Dual material roll, Resistance roll 30 mm, Actual flywheel, Foldable, Easy to carry, Easy to set-up, Suitable for power workouts, Suitable for interval training - Positions: 10 - Suitable axles: Width of rear fork: Road 130 mm, MTB 135 mm. Adapters for other widths available
This narrow towel was developed specifically for indoor bike training sessions and is used by many professional riders during their warm-up or indoor training sessions. - Highly absorbent - Measures 30cm x 115cm
The Trainer Adapter for X-12 Axle allows the use of mountain bikes with axle widths of 142mm or larger on a Tacx trainer. These adapters are only suitable for the Tacx classic trainers.
Give your Tacx trainer the best possible protection for storage and transport with this sturdy trainer bag. It's designed specifically for Tacx trainers and has a separate compartment on the inside for accessories. The double inner layer with foam lining provides optimum protection, minimizing the risk of damage.
The Tacx trainer tires have been developed specifically for riding indoors on bike trainers. The special rubber minimizes the risk of overheating, slipping, and wear and tear. They are also quieter than regular rear tires on both road and mountain bikes. Tacx trainer tires are not suitable for outside riding.
Use this ANT+ antenna to connect an ANT+ trainer to your computer. That enables you to use computer software during your training sessions, such as the Tacx Trainer software, Zwift, and TrainerRoad. These programs read the training data transmitted by an ANT+ trainer and can control the trainer. It features a long cable so the receiver can be placed close to the trainer for an optimal reception without loss. The antenna is compatible with all trainers that communicate wirelessly via ANT+.
- Smooth and powerful magnetic resistance - Heavy-duty steel frame - Folds for easy storage - Fits MTB wheels 26"-29"
Hook your bike up to Sunlite's F1 Trainer w/Remote and ride whenever you want, regardless of weather, daylight or schedule issues. It features a heavy-duty steel frame for a stable base when you're cranking on the pedals and a quiet magnetic resistance unit for a real-world feel. The remote lever attaches to your handlebar for easy resistance adjustment. Plus, this trainer includes an easy-to-use steel quick-release lever.
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